Thursday, January 12, 2012

[AHLQUIST SCREENSHOTS] If by "Christian love" you mean hatred & contempt...

(Updates: Police are investigating, we respond to Christian questions, and a little advice to "true" Christians.)

Can we go ahead and award the most influential atheist of 2012?

All the vitriol these Christians can spew could never be enough to diminish the heroic actions of 16-year-old Jessica Ahlquist. Her courage is contagious. She stood up against her school and her community to fight for our rights, won her lawsuit and the admiration of many. But she's also endured an enormous amount of hatred/bullying, and has done so with poise and bravery. I've seen a lot of this kind of bullying when issues of church/state are called out, but these comments are some of the most hateful I've come across.

It is apparent that Christians only believe in tolerance so long as their religion is allowed to violate the constitution.

Well, I've grown tired of just being tolerated and I will not be tolerating the stomach-churning hatred that's continuously espoused by those doing the "tolerating."

These are those comments... some of them anyway.. I hope you're reading them on an empty stomach.

(If you haven't been following Jessica's story, Hemant over at Friendly Atheist has got all the details.)










































When will you stop saying this is shocking? It isn't anymore.
When will you stop saying this is rare? It isn't.
When do you think we need to start taking these kind of people seriously?
Hopefully when they're aiming their violence and hatred at a 16 year old. This happens every time someone does something amazing to further our cause. Christians show their "love" all over facebook, twitter, and comments sections of news sites.

We always capture them... Practical Doubt always captures them... and they still get to use the same defense.
"People like this are few and far between."
"These are fake, I don't think they would make their profile private just because they threatened someone."
"These are atheists making fake accounts and trying to make Christians look bad, they're even faking the horrible grammar."

Atheists: Spread these around! I know a lot of you have WAAAAY more popular blogs than we do so download the pics and share them. You don't have to link us, although a bump would be nice. ;)

Christians, if you're reading this... before you muster up the nerve to leave a comment here.. please read one little thing real quick. No true Scotsman.

-JFFF

(Disclaimer: We've left the names visible so that they can be reported. We are NOT advocating retaliation.)

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  1. I don't see any Christian love in the comments. I certainly don't see any Christians standing up for the US Constitution. I sure see some amazing hate. It appears that is what Christianity is really about and they actually get it from their Bible. Hate one another? Hate your enemy? Slap the other cheek? I think I read all those in your bible somewhere.

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    1. Not my bible, and I can garuntee unless someone wrote in it would you find hate everybody or slap the cheek. I won't say there is only a few that do this type of stuff, what I will say is I wouldn't react like that, I'm not religious, Jesus Christ is not a religion, I have a relationship with my Savior and I follow the word of God. You say you see amazing hate, bullying, well these people saying these things are kids who don't know how to express themselves with other than juvenile cursing , yall posting on this just know how to seem like your concerned for this girl, but are more worries about bashing Christianity, looks like what those kids were doin to the young girl. There is no difference, other than a different verbiage. It shouldn't happen from either side.

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    2. That reply is spot on.

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    3. I see you didn't actually read the No True Scotsman logical fallacy definition. These "kids" learn there behavior somewhere, don't they? I really love the part where you turn her persecution around to persecution of Christianity. Nice touch.

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    4. I don't see anything in those comments that implies that ANY of these people are christians anyway... How would you actually know based on these remarks?

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    5. Not sure that the no true scotsman thing is an actual logical fallacy. It assumes the non existence of ideals which in and of itself is a logical fallacy, considering the fact that we cannot search the whole of the universe to prove the non-existence of said ideal. Because if the ideal or the "true Scotsman" does exist then the argument is valid. Just my line of thought on it, I may be wrong.

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    6. 'Burn in hell'
      'god will fuck you in the ass with the banner'
      'HELL'
      'Sinner'
      Uhmmm... Sounds like good ol' American Christians to me.

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    7. I'm going to guess at the very least quite a few of the are christian because I don't know they reference christianity in their tweets, a few openly say I hope you go to hell which I'll give you that pretty much everyone will say that regardless of religious affiliation, but when people reference holy water, and even have TeamJesus in one of their tweets I'm gonna go out on a limb and say they're christian, even references to the virgin Mary are made so there are definitely christians in that lot.

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    8. Does wearing a lakers jersey mean that you play on the team? Does sitting in a garage make you a car? No. Jut like hashtagging TeamJesus and referencing Mary doesn't make you a Christian. And just like going to a church on Sunday doesn't make you a Christian. At that point are you claiming to be a representative of whatever group you are claiming to be a part of, absolutely. The Church doesn't portray what it ought to. We are sinners.

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    9. @Jack: You misunderstand the fallacy. It is a fallacy *because* there is no such thing as an ideal "scotsman" that one can compare anyone against. The "true scotsman" always happens to be the person speaking. If there were such an ideal, you could always measure the closeness of an individual to being a "true scotsman", and hence there would be no fallacy.

      If someone calls themselves Christian, and claim at least the basis of Christian belief (Jesus as the Son of God, the Resurrection, etc...), then they are Christian, whether or not they match yours or anyone else's ideal of what being a Christian means. So for someone to claim another person is not Christian because they don't match their specific ideal is a fallacy; if it weren't, no two Christians could ever recognize each other as being members of the same religion.

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    10. You are right. If the ideal is based upon what I think a Christian should be then there would be no two Christians that are the same religion. But we do know this, that a fig tree produces figs, not apples. The be testiment talks about what the fruit of the Spirit is (Galatians 5:22). Assuming the Bible is the word of God this will be the standard we can view our own actions through. I someone is not acting according to this it would be logical to say that they are not acting according to the Spirit of God. Not saying they are not saved. I do not have that authority, but we can say that the God of the Bible does not support their actions.

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    11. No evidence that they aren't Christians? You cannot be serious.

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  2. Another myth we can lay to rest: being a Christian means you're a good person.

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    1. No true...oh wait, never mind. I wouldn't do this to someone.

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    2. Too bad the one about saying you're a Christian meaning you are one is still around.

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  3. The hate is appalling... They wonder why atheists are popping up everywhere all of the sudden and fighting back.... This is why right here.

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  4. What in the fuck is wrong with these people? I don't even want to live on this planet anymore with scum like this. My best buddy better not have one filthy God-loving finger on her, or the repercussions will be immense. They'll have legal nightmares for the rest of their predictably-short (given their stupidity) lives.

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  5. It's just crazy to me the hypocrisy that exists in religion, especially Christianity. Why is it the people who believe in Jesus choose to ignore literally everything he said? If Jesus were real, he would certainly not approve of how these children are acting toward Jessica. People need to grow up and realize that right is right, even if it conflicts with the parts of your religion your picked and chosen, to believe.

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  6. This hurt...

    I would put their names in plain text, next to the image of the hateful, spiteful thing they said. That way, Google would be able to pick up their names, and would be able to return this page in the future if someone does a Google search for that person's name (say..a prospective employer...or a future boyfriend/girlfriend). I think the world has the right to know who these people are and what they stand for.

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    1. Brilliant idea, actually...hadn't thought of this, but it would be an excellent way to turn their hate against them!

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    2. So Atheist goal is to ruin people's lives and reputations. Nice to know

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    3. Skylar KreutzwieserJanuary 13, 2012 at 7:39 AM

      Only if those people said threatening, hateful comments to people. Everyone should face the consequences of their actions, especially if they said things like this.

      I'll download each photo and upload it somewhere like Imageshack, labeled as their name.

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    4. Actually they are ruining their own reputations, this is simply not letting them do it autonomously

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    5. Ardriana Solitro, you would want and do the same thing. Its called civility and respect. If you can't give anybody respect for not sharing your beliefs, then don't come crying to anybody when everybody else start to turn on you. Jessica Ahlquist didn't deserve any of this from you people. Bullying is bullying, and there is no exception whether it is against an Atheist or not.

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    6. I find it sad that you think it's the atheist who is in the wrong for pointing out the violent, hateful posts these people posted rather than you know the people who posted it. Would you take this same mindset to someone who made it easier to identify KKK members?

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    7. As someone who's personal integrity is held at high value, I can only applaud the idea that others should be held accountable for their actions.
      Anything and everything I do, in some way, shape or form affects the lives of others- Were I to behave in such a deplorable manner, I would fully expect my behavior to eventually catch up to me in one way or another.

      @ Ardriana Solitro~ As an Atheist, my goal is simple. To live the best life that I can possibly imagine, not cause undue harm to come to others, to hold accountable the people and actions which *do* cause undue harm, and to raise my children with loving compassion, rationality and to think critically in an attempt to grant hope to future generations.
      If being held accountable for criminal behavior (communicating threats, among other things) equates a desire to "ruin lives", then you can feel free to assign guilt. Just keep in mind that assignment the next time you encounter someone behaving badly towards you, it's a two way street hon. You shouldn't cross over the double line unless you're trying to cause a collision.

      (please excuse my run on sentences... I've not had any caffeine yet, methinks my brain is still partially asleep)

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    8. @Ardriana Solitro

      Are you fucking retarded? Were your parents siblings? These are serious questions I want answers to, based on your post.

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    9. @ Ardriana Solitro - if you engage in hate speech online, you will be held accountable - your details will be published. Please practice your religion in the privacy of your own home , dont waste the taxpayers time and money in trying to convince others how great your imaginary friend in the sky is.

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    10. "So Atheist goal is to ruin people's lives and reputations."

      How is pointing out something that someone said a "goal" to "ruin" their lives/reputation? They did not make the statements. If the existence of such statements ruin lives or reputations, the onus of responsibility is on those who made the statements- not those who witnessed it. I absolutely believe these people should be held accountable for their words- and I'm not an atheist.

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    11. "So Atheist goal is to ruin people's lives and reputations."

      The Christians goal is to see all non-Christians go to hell and burn for all eternity. Good to know.

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  7. "Help us to be good sports and smile when we lose as well as when we win." How ironic that this is what the banner said.

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  8. Wow. Just...wow. People are horrible sometimes. And how nice of them for form mobs so that we could identify most of the crazies at once. It's weird that they're so uppity about that Christian prayer being removed, but in cases where one student would do something like wear a pentacle, it was a HUGE deal that forced the Christians to be around something that made them uncomfortable and it just HAD to go.

    When, in America, did being part of the majority take away rights of the minority? I thought the point of our system was to protect the minority FROM the majority...

    Jessica is so brave...she's my hero.

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  9. Why is it the people who believe in Jesus choose to ignore literally everything he said? If Jesus were real, he would certainly not approve of how these children are acting toward Jessica.

    Actually, if you read the Gospels, the Jesus depicted in them is not in fact a kindly or loving person. Among plenty of other nastiness, he threatens to order genocide on everyone who dissents from his rule; he condones slavery; he spits racist hatred at a poor mother who begs him to heal her daughter; he sneers at his disciples for suggesting that it makes more sense to spend money on helping the poor than on swanky luxuries for Jesus himself; and, more than any other message in the entire Gospels (many times more frequently than he says anything about love or peace), he shrieks that people who defy him will be brutally tortured in Hell.

    So where you get the idea that Jesus "would certainly not approve of how these children are acting toward Jessica" is hard to understand. One of the most common tropes in the posts above—the notion that Ahlquist will be tortured in Hell—comes straight from Jesus, in a huge number of Gospel passages speaking about his enemies.

    On this of all threads, I don't think it makes sense to misrepresent (indeed whitewash) Christianity. What you see above, despite Darrel Ray's initial comment, is Christian "love": the brutality and hatred expressed in those comments are a much more accurate reflection of actual scriptural and historical Christianity than any sentiment about justice or tolerance could possibly be.

    Read the Gospels, and you'll see that the Jesus depicted there would be just as eager to bash and threaten (at least) Jessica Ahlquist as the jerks quoted above are. Don't buy the apologetic hype.

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    1. Wow what gospels did u read? Did u write those yourself, because not only are you wrong in your assessment of the message of thegospels but your wrong in the depiction of the love of Christ, don't believe the hype, that is all I hear from your entire post. But way to twist it around to try to show that you have your own opinion and if you can type good enough maybe someone will just take your word for it.

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    2. This is an honest question. But have you personally read the gospels and then acts (to see the way in which people acted based on Jesus' teachings)?

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    3. I have read the gospels, I've read the bible. I have never questioned what I read, atheist ask why I don't see the "hidden" messages, "how could I follow" the hate, well I don't look for angles when there is no need to, "well if you read here then here and compare here then its all wrong", no need to find a reason for me to not believe, I sin, and ask forgiveness, learn from my mistakes and don't need to try to discredit anyone so I could live, what I consider a more sinful life, without recourse.

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    4. Amen. But I actually intended that question for the original commenter

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    5. @AnonymousJan 13, 2012 07:43 AM
      "I have never questioned what I read"
      'Nuff said really...

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    6. Yeh, the complete absence of critical thinking will just leave you in ignorance. Any theists should read this document. You will have a much better time understanding the atheistic mind: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1f6ZewV_Ro5HLixACGE_wgJrnlFNVKVxTfuVALqARNEs/edit?hl=da

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  10. WHY CANT THIS SELFISH GIRL RESPECT ANYONE ELSES RELIGION. those tweets are not right but embrace what you believe in and she clearly chooses athiesm but theyres many people in the world who are athiest and respect other people and their religions. its been up for 50 years its her junior year in the school and shes even leaving the school. WHAT WAS THE POINT??? she caused the bullying herself and if her tweets werent so cocky .. which you wouldnt know because they only put up all the bad things none of this would happen.

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    1. Because that sign was against the law. It violated the constitution.

      Get it? Your belief is voodoo or superstition doesn't allow you any special privileges.

      She caused the bullying? Just like those kids "caused" priest to rape them, right? It's always the victims fault.

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    2. Why can't YOU respect other people's religious beliefs (or lack thereof)? Do you not see the rampant hypocrisy in your comment?

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    3. Because the school was not respecting anyone elses religion or beliefs. show me the banners mentioning Allah, Mother Earth, Xenu or any of the Hindu Gods and perhaps she may not have been so offended..... or better yet, remove God from the banner altogether and you would still have your banner and there would be no issue, it would speak to everyone rather than just those with a belief in God.

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    4. The school was given the option of removing the religious language and leaving the banner up but they declined, which indicates it was the religious sentiment that was most important to them.

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    5. If any of you could show factual evidence where the school broke any law, I would be astonished. You go on blabbering about rights and the constitution, but until you can cite your opinions as fact, you are just making fools out of yourselves

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    6. The fact that the school was forced by the government to put down the sign, is that not proof enough for you?

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    7. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.

      To quote Thomas Jefferson
      ""... I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State." "

      in 1947 the Supreme court(all 9 of them agreed) clarified the interpretation in Everson v. Board of Education, which sets the precedent, and tries to make it clearer how the state(any state funded institution) is not to support any religion-again this is a legal precedent-

      Now these are things that are typically taught in a high school classes.

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  11. Jesus most definately would not approve and i tweeted many times that people are hypocrites and contradicting themselves with those hurtful tweets but why cant she respect ANYONE ELSES religion .. theres catholic, jews, athiests, non religions all that attend that school. but they dont care because its called respect. swallow your pride, its life your gonna see this stuff everywhere. what r u gonna cry and sue again because you dont see something you like HAHA . good luck in life

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    1. HAHA, stick up for your civil rights and defend the constitution! HAHA!

      You should be asking your school board why they chose to fight a losing battle from the start. Apparently, they thought superstition would miracle them a victory against the Bill of Rights.

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    2. You have a very loose definition of rights and a very mundane grasp of the law system.

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  12. i wish i could post the tweets of all the hurtful things the athiests are saying to me for being catholic and bashing my religion all because i said i was catholic didnt even speak a word of this girl.

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    1. "i wish i could post the tweets of all the hurtful things the athiests are saying to me for being catholic and bashing my religion all because i said i was catholic didnt even speak a word of this girl."

      We'll apologize for harsh words when you apologize for institutional child rape.

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    2. Your religion deserves bashing. It's raped women and children and caused the dark ages, countless wars and oppressed science for the last 2000 years.

      You should be ashamed of being Catholic.

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    3. yeah 'cause you people are the real victims here *rolls eyes*

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    4. Go right ahead. None of us involved with gathering these quotes even spoke to anyone who didn't mention jess first...that's how everyone found these.

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    5. Feeling the tolerance and acceptance in these comments. What is the difference from the posts to Jessica and the responses posted directly above? Religion is not responsible for the horrendous acts committed in its name. The men and woman who commit the acts are responsible. Stop generalizing all people of faith into one hate filled group. Comments like "You people", "you should be ashamed", "when you apologize". If I were to say "all white people are evil because of slavery"? Does this not lessen the courage of those people who were opposed to it? If I say "All Gemen men are rapists and murderers because of the Holocaust"? Does this overlook those who fought from within to put a stop to it? Please, I beg of you - try to further your cuase by using intelligent discourse and an open mind or you become exactly what you are railing against.

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    6. Jaseon. You dont have to be loving and tolerant to call someone out on their hypocrisy. They dont claim to be loving and tolerant and fighting the good fight for Jesus. They are forthright with their hate. and that is SLIGHTLY better. But you are right in that they are hateful to someone trying to argue their side. Pretty stupid if you ask me.

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    7. By all means call people out on "their" hypocracy. My point is that religion is not flawed, man is flawed. The belief in something greater than me and all encompassing is not a new belief. The mistake many make is to read the Bible and point to it and say "see!" or to laugh and say "I can't believe you think this is true". Reality is not in the Bible. They are stories, tales, folklore. It is a guidebook for understanding various troubles that may ail you during life. I pray for all people on this earth because that is what "I" believe, if you do not believe, that is your choice. Just please do not try to further a cause by using the same tactics which are being complained about.

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    8. If religion is not responsible for horrible acts committed in its name, then no ideology can ever be blamed for any such actions, e.g. communism, Nazism, Manifest Destiny. This is simply a ridiculous argument, and amounts to little more than a copout.

      Further, this discussion was about Catholicism, which is much, much more than merely "belief in something greater than me and all encompassing." The latter even includes non-religious ideas like Spinoza's God, so please don't insult the intelligence of your intended audience by thinking that no one will see through that false equivalence. As for reality not being in the Bible, you're preaching to the choir in declaring that to atheists (though I'm curious as to how you reconcile that statement with the Christian requirement of believing in the divinity of Christ as manifestly declared in the Bible). The people who really need to get that message are your fellow believers, a huge number of whom would condemn you for that very statement.

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    9. Jason white people are not blame solely for slavery, it was black men whoSOLD THEIR OWN FOR MONEY AND WHISKEY! So blacks and whites are evil. And you are right there is no difference in the comments to the girl and the comments to Christians. I believe its just so both sides feel good about where they will spend eternity, me I'm saved, will be with Jesus, that's all I know.

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    10. I still contend that it is not the ideology which is at fault. Merely because those preaching the ideology are misguided at best and insane at the worst. It is still the actions of man to patently go against what they can feel as being right or wrong. The same can be said for all of these supposed Chrsitians who are bashing Jessica. More than a few of these young people are now trying to figure out how to take back their comments because they know in their hearts they are about to have quite the backlash come down on them.


      As to the subject: it is about Christianity. Not Catholicism. I was raised Catholic and know of the strict nature of those beliefs and the hypocrisy that goes along with it. I left that behind me for my own personal reasons and I am the one who will have to be judged on that, but only by the One who will judge me.


      If I believe that man is flawed, how then can the bible be the absolute truth? as it is written by man. In the Catholic church we are taught that the Pope is divine, but that goes against even the teachings of the bible. Hence, man corrupts all that there is.

      My fellow Christians are joined together by one fact and one fact only. We believe in Christ. What everyone chooses to do with that belief is up to them. Just as every athiest surely has their own reason for not believing.

      My whole point of posting here and elsewhere today is merely to defend Christianity, not because I think we are victims, but because it is my belief. I do not condemn any who do not believe. I simply state that hatred is wrong. Jessica was right. The law prevailed (finally). Chrsitianity did not conspire to harm anyone here. Those who think otherwise need to take a step back and remove personal feeling and look at the facts of this issue.

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    11. Ehm, isn't the definition of a christian a person who accepts Jesus as a prophet and the son of god etc.? I wouldn't actually call you a christian, but a holder of christian values. However, there is something I would like to ask you (or someone else who only considers the Bible a moral guide).

      If you think the stories are only supposed to convey morals why not chose a book that wasn't meant for bronze age barbarians? Let's look at some of the lessons in the Bible.
      The New Testament promotes slavery and torture, says women should be subjugated and that gay people are evil. Let's not even get started on the Old Testament. Don't wear mixed fabric clothing? Don't eat sea creatures without scales? Or was it fins? They are abominations. A rape victim has to marry her rapist, but the rapist has to pay her father for "lost property"?

      I guess what I really want to know is: If you don't believe in the magic stuff, what makes the Bible so great when it contains numerous teachings that we today consider ridiculous, immoral or even atrocious?

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    12. Nick yes the definition of a Christian is actually exactly how you state it. I do believe exactly that. I do not however believe in any power but his to tell me how to live my life. The teachings of Jesus as "stated" in the Bible are some of the ways to lead a good life, but it is not the end all (in my mind) as there is plenty that can be considered "lost in translation" and the misinterpretation of those teaching leads to horrible acts and false prophets. If I feel lost, I read the bible or a passage from the bible, and somehow I find my way. Call it confort in knowing I am not alone or call it voodoo. Your choice. The important thing is to not think that all Religion is about a book. Be it the Torah, the Koran or the Bible. If you take all of mans failing out of these tomes you are left with a few good stories that guide your footsteps through life, just as you might have been raised to know right from wrong. These books do NOT automatically steer you down a good path or bad path, free will does that.

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    13. I am sorry for what those atheists have said to you. Bashing someone for having a religion is just as bad for bashing someone for not having one.

      Also, the person who said "We'll apologize for harsh words when you apologize for institutional child rape", that is fucking stupid. This girl/guy are not responsible for institutional child rape.

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    14. That is a very reasonable stance you have there, a shame voices like yours are most often drowned out by the more fundamentalist christians in America. I have one more question though. As you said, the Bible was written by humans and humans make mistakes (especially considering these stories were passed on by word of mouth for hundreds of years before atually being written down). Why, then, do you believe in the most extraordinary claim of the entire book (and the one that makes you a christian)?

      That an omnipotent, omniscient being created us and everything around us. Tempted us with knowledge, knowing that we would fall for it (he is omniscient after all), so that he could then banish us from his paradise and create the original sin. He then has his way with a human woman in order to have a son (who is also somehow himself if I understood the whole trinity thing correctly?). He then sacrifices himself to himself in order to save us from the original sin which he placed upon us. It's just so convoluted...

      I'm sorry if I come off as a bit of an ass. English isn't my native language so I know I can come off a little rude at times. But I really am trying to understand you here. I find it a lot easier to understand the fundamentalists as they are a bit more... I don't want to say simple minded, but their beliefs do seem to include less personal thought than yours.

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    15. @Nick: No worries on calling me simple minded :)

      Simply put I believe in God and his son, because I need to.
      I live in a world of miracles. I see the goodness of man. I am blessed to have been raised with this belief. Many athiests have asked me to prove that He is real, I simply ask them to prove he is not.

      Until we each experience our own end on this planet we will not know the true answer. And at that point will it really matter if we are right or wrong?

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    16. I was actually calling the fundamentalists simple minded, not you ;)

      Surely one of your friends must have pointed out to you that as the party claiming something, the burden of proof falls to you. I mean, you can't disprove leprechauns, unicorns or Santa either. But let's not get into that, I'm not trying to de-convert you here.

      About your last paragraph though, I'd say that is when it actually WILL matter. But I'll cross that bridge when I come to it :D

      I'm going to bed now, but it's been really interesting talking to you. Have a good one!

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    17. Yes, they do try to place the burden upon me. However the burden is something I can bear.

      Have a wonderful night.

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    18. @Jason Morrell

      Its the people not the bible?


      "If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you ... Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die." -- Dt.13:6-10
      ( KILL NON BELIEVERS BLACK AND WHITE FROM THE BIBLE )

      They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

      Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

      (OH LOOK MOSES AND THE LORD PROMOTING GENOCIDE AND RAPE!)

      now there are literally dozens of instances in the bible of such situations, let me reiterate clearly GOD promotes explicitly in the bible :
      genocide, rape, slavery, capital punishment for trivial things, sexism, killing all non God worshipers, and much much more

      so you have no right to say certain horrible acts are not due to a religion but just done be select people that by chance are part of that religion when your holy book clearly states to do horrible horrible things

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    19. Obviously you did not read any of my posts. Taking quotes from the Bible to make your point? Have we switched sides in this debate?

      I do not defend Religion, I defend my faith. I do not defend hatred, I defend peace. I do not promote the Church, I promote free thinking. I live my life to a set of moral and ethical codes which guide my footsteps, along that path I take Jesus with me as a friend so that I might know God.

      If I wrote a book, and in this book I said God has spoken to me and told me through a burning bush that all squirels are pests. Then some nut case read it and idolized me, then proceeded to kill all squirels, whould I be to blame? I simplify and by no means do I pretend to be God, I only state this to make a point. The interpretation of Gods word has been humanized. Man has wrote the history of God and Christ based upon their view of it. Ever hear the quota "History is written by the victors?"


      Man was given free will, it is up to man to decide what to do with it.

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  13. lol at everyone saying just don't look at it if you don't like it. Let the religion be respected... OK. What if a big banner of Zeus was put up next to it, or Mo and Allah? Then you deluded xians would be singing a different story. Get a life. I wish there was a hell so many of these ignorant xians would go there.

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  14. WHY CANT THIS SELFISH GIRL RESPECT ANYONE ELSES RELIGION.

    Why should she, or anyone, be expected to "respect anyone elses religion"? What has religion ever done to deserve respect?

    theyres many people in the world who are athiest and respect other people and their religions.

    I suggest you think for a moment on the fundamental differences between respecting "other people" and respecting "their religions." Religions are not people. They have no rights. Religions deserve to gain respect only on the same grounds as any other idea gains it—by earning it. What's respectable about religion?

    its been up for 50 years its her junior year in the school....

    And? Surely you don't believe that old traditions are necessarily just or legal or morally acceptable traditions. Do you really need us to list longstanding practices that have been justifiably ended?

    shes even leaving the school. WHAT WAS THE POINT???

    Er, how about the United States Constitution? Law? Justice? Ethics? Are these "points" really so foreign to you?

    she caused the bullying herself and if her tweets werent so cocky

    Oh, I see. It's all the victim's fault that she has been repeatedly brutally threatened online. Swell little moral system you've got going there.

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  15. Dear Anonymous, "she caused the bullying herself"? Seriously, blame the victim? You're disgusting. What was the point? First Amendment, ever heard of it? "WHY CANT THIS SELFISH GIRL RESPECT ANYONE ELSES RELIGION." You're selfish for assuming everyone has to put up with your beliefs. It's a public school, not a church school and religion doesn't belong there (I know, I went to a church school until high school, want religion? go to church school). It's not like she went to your church and demanded you redecorate to suit her beliefs. Thanks for your input, I'll just assume that those tweets represent all Christians. I'm not an atheist, but the more "good Christians" speak, the more I wouldn't want to classify myself with these monsters.

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  16. Jesus most definately would not approve....

    Oh, really? Then why does he spend so much of the Gospels threatening his enemies with brutal aggression and torture—which, y'know, happens to be exactly what the assclowns attacking Ahlquist are doing above?


    But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

    - Jesus, in Luke 19:27

    Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels. ... And these shall go away into everlasting punishment.

    - Jesus, in Matthew 25:41, 46

    And there are a very large number more like those, as you should be aware.

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    1. A clarification, from a heathen, if I may.

      The reference from Luke 19 is the end of a parable (Once upon a time...). The words are placed on the mouth of the king, whose subjects refuse to accept his rule. Compare that with how many Christians (the subjects) attach themselves to the religion, yet refuse to live according to the teachings.

      The reference from Matthew 25:41, 46 is specifically directed at people who claim the teacher, yet again, reject the teachings.

      The only enemies of Jesus in the Bible are religious folk.

      Something to consider.

      Kudos to Ms. Ahlquist. Remember that folks get confused sometimes.

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  17. Oh. Fvck that bitch.

    #WTH!

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  18. This is so disgusting. And you're right, xtians acting like this is neither new nor shocking. I went to a church school, I know exactly what they're like. And as I live in a fundamentalist country I continue to find scum on my everyday life.

    Let's just hope this Jessica girl finds peace :/

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  19. hate the girl who hates what you believe in.. what a very very christian thing to do... christians should read their bible more often...

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    1. A Christian read the bible?!?! No no no... Only Atheists and others curious about other religions read the Bible. Christians would realize the problems in the Bible if they read it. They just listen to their pastor and agree to whatever he has to say. Even if it isn't in the Bible, how will they know? Christians are afraid to read the Bible.

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    2. Bold statement. Sadly, you are probably correct about most Christians. If you are a close-minded Christian, you probably haven't read the bible. I am a Christian and I read my bible. I read it as a book. It's actually a good read.

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  20. To the anonymous above, I'm sure they even haven't read the bible.

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  21. I'm sure if they posted a Muslim banner up all those "christians" would have respective cows. They are all for church and state.. as long as it's THEIR church. Seriously... I want to find this girl, shake her hand and PUNCH anyone in the face that threatens her. ...There are no words for what these kids are saying.

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  22. I am not going to come on here and post about how good God is or how the people commenting to Jessica are just misguided. I am truly horrified that this is happening in my state. I am a Christian, I was raised as a Roman Catholic. I am very proud to call Jessica a Rhode Islander. She is an amazing young woman who stood up for what she believes in and I agree with her. If we are going to be "tolerant" of people who do not believe what we believe than we need to also be accepting of their beliefs. My best friend in the world is an Athiest, I love him and he loves me, we are brothers and we do debate religion. I am open minded to others and he is open minded to me. I say all of this to point out the fact that although these comments from the kids from Rhode Island are aimed at athiests and come across filled with hate and vitriol I do not see any of them claiming to be Christian (many probably are though). I hope that all those children learn a very valuable leason about morality and love soon, but most of all I want to say that I hear this a lot. Christians attack athiests with hatred and non tolerance, however your beliefs or lack thereof are put forth in the title of your blog as hateful and non-tolerant as well. It is very offensive to any true Christian. I do not hate you for it :) I am only pointing out your hypocrisy. Please continue to put these blogs together and express your distaste of all things which are evil, cruel, and wrong. I applaud that just as I applaud the coiurage of Jessica, but do not point at Christians and say "see they are picking on me" when it is not obvious that the comments above are coming from Christians - a belief in God does not make you Christian.

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    1. Jason, when they claim to be on #teamjesus and tag their posts with #godisgreat, it's pretty obvious that they at least consider themselves to be christians. I have NO problem with christians who keep their worship where it belongs: At home and in church. Not in public schools.

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    2. And if I placed my tag as KillerAthiest would that then mean I am an Athiest? I do not mock you I only mean to point out that we are talking about teenagers. Young impressionable minds who will ALWAYS grasp at what is seen as the popular slant, and those who do not see it that way are labeled as something other than good.
      I also wish religion to remain in Church and Homes, however faith is constant. I wear mine proudly everwhere I go. I do not flaunt it or expect others to agree with it. While I try to lead my life with the moral compass I gained from my upbringing (including Church) I do not specifically use the Bible as my crutch. I continue to read hatred from both sides here. The same hatred is on display from comments to the story, from Athiests. should I then assume all athiests are hate filled ignorant fools? Absolutely not! So please do not condemn all Christians for the actions of those attacking Jessica, we are not one and the same.

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    3. Jason, you are putting words into my mouth. I didn't attack all christians. I am simply calling out the ones who are participating or condoning this(either directly or by non-action). And to state that all of the attackers were children is patently wrong. There are many adults, including a local (to RI) Glenn Beck wannabe talk show host, that are taking part in this.

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    4. I just completed an arguement with my boss, who is also a great friend of mine. I appear to be somewhat stuck in the middle of this discourse :) His point was to say that "what does it even matter to her?", "It has been up for 50 years", "putting a little bit of God into peoples lives can only be a good thing" I agree wtih most of that. The difference is I do not agree is this - as a Christian, I have certain beliefs which do not coincide with what an athiest believes (does not believe?). So rather than say hateful things to those who do not follow "my" God, I look to what the law says. Jessica is right and thank you to her for pointing it out. Musings, I do not mean to put words into your mouth. I simply take offense to those who condemn religion because they do not believe in it. It seems to be the same things as condemning athiests for not believing. Wouldn't you agree?

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    5. "a belief in God does not make you Christian."

      That's true. A belief in the supernatural power of God, the divinity of Christ, and the notion that Bible contains societal/spiritual import fundamentally beyond the scope of an epic novel socially defines one as a Christian, as those are the only commonalities between disparate groups of people whose self-definition as "Christian" is commonly accepted.

      The reason it may seem that some people attack Christians as a whole is because (talkative) Christians overwhelmingly parrot the argument that "Christian = good," not uncommonly to the extent of claiming that any "good" act is a "Christian" act.

      Also, you'll find that there are very few people who actively condemn religion *merely* because they are not themselves believers. If that were true, there would be a myriad array of simultaneous condemnations these people would be making (e.g. "F--- teenagers!"). Explicitly declaring such a sweeping statement does little more than demonstrate your own condescension (which, from the rest of your comments, you barely have any of) regarding how much thought atheists can/have put into their opinions.

      As for your argument against taking any credence in self-identification, I tend to assume, based on your chosen username, that you're much more likely to be an North American/British man than a Congolese woman. Similarly, if you tag your comments with "#TeamJesus", it's sensible to assume that you are Christian.

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    6. No boubt that #TeamJesus is safe to assume the tag of a Christian, and the desired effect is achieved. You stand against the evil Athiest by declaring for the other team. The problem is the one tagging with that has probably only seen the inside of a church on those special occasians or for a funeral (by the way, that is the same frequency I visit a church) let alone having never read the bible in its entirity. So declaring oneself a Christian is an easy thing to do. The hard part is living it, myself and most honest to goodness Christians know this. One of the truest beliefs we live by is that man is flawed, all men! We are here to achieve more than just living. I do not force these beliefs on anyone even my two young children. All of my statements here today have been with one goal, to point out that man is flawed and if we just look beyond who got the banner pulled down or who is bashing that person, we can see the law says it needed to come down and it did. Thank you Jessica for fighting a very hard fight to pick and all the hatred pointed towards her is wrong under ANY name.

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    7. A christian is not supposed to keep their worship "at home or in church". The sole purpose of Christianity is to spread the word of Christ.

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    8. @anonymous: Do you spread the word of Christ? Or do you just tell other people they should? I dont mean to be terse, I simply ask. My actions and my awareness of my faith shows others what I believe and what can be achieve through Him. If asked I certainly talk about my faith. But I dont tell others they are wrong about theirs.

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    9. I do spread the word of Christ. I believe in the quote "always preach the gospel and when necessary use words". If you are a Christian, your secondary purpose aside from your relationship with him is to tell others about him. I never tell others they are wrong because they frankly aren't. We were made with the power of choice. I believe at any point in our lives we can be saved and I believe that all of us can be saved. I believe one sin is as great as another and that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of god, Don't use God for your own personal gain, but give what you attain to God in his glory

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    10. Wonderful! Then we are both in agreement. But aside from being Christian, the important matter in the situation is that many people look upon this page and see the name of the page, read the hatful words the children are writting and assume that Christians are evil hypocrits. When I see the hate that was spewed forth here i do not see it coming from Christians. I see it coming from her classmates and all this hate in retribution is simply more of the same.

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  24. Some of these kids flat out said they are in her school and her class. Don't these posts constitute threats/bullying and will the school do anything about it? IF not the school, how about the local police?

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    1. The school has yet to take down the banner, they covered it up while awaiting a meeting to decide if they will appeal the ruling. I would hate to assume, but I believe the school will do its utmost to not follow the ruling and certainly will not defend Jessica. It is appalling to believe that a school, where our children are sent to broaden thier minds, would be so closed minded and intolerant. I hope that Jessica remains safe and that those who are making the threats are punished for it by the same legal system they seem t obe ignoring. Wouldn't that be perfect irony for those who are doing such a great job of further blackening the Christian name? One of the things I live by is justice, as a Christian I believe in one final judge, however I am on this earth now and abide by mans laws and morality. Thiese kids need to be reminded what it means to be human.

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    2. Close minded and intolerance goes both ways

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  26. These kids have all been brainwashed from a young age to believe something. Give them time to come around. I can only hope they will 'see the real light' someday.

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  27. i'm neither a christian nor an athiest...however i do believe in upholding the constitution. the comments made to this civic minded little girl are horrific. threatening to beat her up, kill her, "eat her family", saying satan is going to rape her!?! are these people for real!?! i will say though, that for the most part the people making these hateful comments appear to be children as well or at least young...that's no excuse, but i think at least they [other christians] can blame it on ignorance or lack of maturity...but really it just goes to show you that religious fanatics, and "devout god-fearing christians" are the most hateful, intolerant hypocrites in the entire world.

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    1. Sad that they are making a bad name for the US. The rest of the civilized world(minus the Muslim morons of course) have figured out how stupid religion is and how it doesn't apply to ANYTHING in our modern time. War on religion my ass...there's been a war against everyone that's different for a long time and I think we should start fighting back against these morons.

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  28. She's leaving the school to go to a catholic school. Please get your facts straight shes nothing but a hypocrite. Look at what your all saying if u had an atheist banner up and I wanted to defend myself and get it taken down I can imagine what u would do. Not ALL Catholics bashed on her, being atheist is fine or whatever religion you want to be. But if she goes to lasalle shes the biggest hypocrite around and btw I did go to "church" school AKA catholic school where u have to take religion classes so she's an idiot she sued to go to a catholic school what a fucking winner

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    1. We do not know what she does or does not believe in. And what is completely being missed by all sides of this arguement is this - The LAW states the seperation of Church and State, she is right to fight the banner being up! It is what makes her an activist! she is NOT furthering her cause for her benifit but for the benifit of the voiceless. If you can not see this, I pray for you. The fact that she has to change schools is a travesty! and you mock her for that?

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    2. Going to Catholic school has nothing to do with this, as they are permitted by law to mix church and state. If you bothered to read up on this subject, the fact is her public school BROKE THE LAW by posting a prayer, and she called them out on it.

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    3. Full of shit.

      Please source your information.

      Also, If you choose to believe your nonsense, then, look how tolerant an Atheist can be. Christians and Catholics would be up in arms, recruiting suicide bombers if an "Atheist" high school were being built.

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    4. technically public highschools are atheist schools the way most people interpret their own view of the constitution

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  29. Lmao she was leaving Before anyone said this its been goin on for months. To bad the banner didn't even say anything catholic or anything that would offend her. I would know I went there why dont you LEARN something instead of reading those hurtful comments and find out the real reason. She wanted money clearly she tweets "and the banner drops;)" "I win I win" keep gloating and the crazies are gonna end up At her front door. Let's just stay on the fact she's going to a CATHOLIC
    SCHOOL WERE SHE TAKES RELIGION CLASS prays before and after the class is over and in the morning and we
    The day is over

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    1. Yes, lets stay on point. I am Catholic. The banner is a prayer. Simply put the law doesnt allow it to be in a state run school. It does not matter who faught it coming down only that it had to come down. This is not about anything other than that. As a Christian I do not beleive my faith trumps anyone elses (or lack of). So, if Ms. Ahlquist wishes to go to a Catholic school, well maybe she will gain faith and we will be better for it, or she doesn't. But the banner MUST come down, until the law can be changed - it is the law.

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    2. It has been going on much longer than a few months. Money has nothing to do with it. I did learn something. Where she chooses to go to school next is not my concern, nor is it yours. You are making this into something it is not, and excusing those who are hateful and threatening because you believe she did wrong. Two very important facts for you to mull over - 1. She is right! and 2. Hatred is hatred, no matter who commits it in what cause.

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  30. If amen was offending her shes gonna have to say it a whole lot and go to church and say the "our father" everyday. SHE'S A HYPOCRTE. Might as well make this about bullying bc that's really all there is

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  31. It seems that this blog's simply churning what's already in the pot. It's a bit counterproductive to say the least. Now I'm not trying to flame because I hoenstly couldn't give two shits about this entire case, but if the banner was historic to the school, then why take it down? Despite the many different views on religion today, there's always a line that can be drawn between necessary actions and being overly outspoken. Are the kids that insulted her right? No. Is she wrong? No. Was it necessary and beneficial towards an overall harmony between two peoples? No. So what's the point? I don't see it.

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    1. Ask the Jews living in Germany how they'd feel if their gov't put the "arbeit macht frei" signs up prominently in their gov't buildings for "historical purposes". I think they would (rightly) feel that the government was advocating a policy that is very hostile to them.

      It's very simple; if it had no meaning, it has no purpose being there and people wouldn't care whether it was up or not. The very fact that people are raising a protest (on religious grounds) indicates that it IS a symbol of school endorsement of religion, and thus has no business being there.

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      If you haven't read the banner, you don't know what you are talking about.

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  32. I randomly stumbled upon this discussion via Facebook and wanted to say a few things. First, I am absolutely appalled by the actions of the students at Cranston West. I am a graduate of Classical High in Providence and currently am a teacher in Denver, CO. This is the worst example of cyber bullying I have ever seen and I hope the administration of Cranston West treats it as such.

    That being said, there is something else that troubles me. I am Jewish, not a Christian obviously, but I am religious and observant. I hope that people realize that these students don't speak for the faithful amongst you. The Christians that I know would be equally appalled by the words and actions of these students. The problem here isn't faith, it's stupidity and extremism. There is actually a large middle ground between atheism and extremism.

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    1. People need some serious contemplation about their beliefs.

      Religious extremism works out really well in the middle east. Its a utopian government. If only the US could do the same things and adopt similar views. Maybe the Halal Internet soon in the US?

      Oh it's not the same? We're not those damn Muslims? Well look back a few hundred years, Christians were the same. It took lots of work, lots of sacrifice, lots of pain and suffering to liberate our society. I don't care the religion, it does not belong in our government. Period.

      The middle ground is people realizing what religious extremism does. They need to re-evaluate their view of the world.

      True, many Christians try to live a thoughtful and compassionate life, treating any human being with respect. The problem is that those Christians are not posting on this girl's twitter showing her support, its either hate speech or atheists. This is not a blow against Christianity, this is a blow against religious extremism.

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  33. these teenagers, or as i assume to be teens, are the most vicious and vilest people in the world. how dare they gang up on her for doing what is right by the Bill of Rights. they are a group of bullies who deserve to burn forever in the pits of Hell.

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    1. No, they need to be educated. We fail as a society when this happens. It is on our shoulders to ensure our people are liberated by educating them and removing the veil of ignorance.

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    2. Haha, and so you become one of them. Well played. Also, you might want to read the bill of rights.

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  34. Reading the Christian vileness expressed toward this girl is heart-wrenching. I don't know if I've ever been more proud to be an atheist. They get to post these things to her and about her because later they'll get to pray... pray for her salvation, pray for forgiveness for being so angry, pray for help to be a better person next time. Rather than living in the now and opening their hearts and welcoming a notion of understanding & tolerance, they get to be hateful and threatening, remaining closed-minded and discriminatory, awaiting their imaginary promise. If you pray to a god, I am embarrassed FOR you. Way to go, Jessica. Keep fighting the good fight, honey. You have my support.

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    1. Why are you preaching tolerance for one group and not the other? Your slander on this post puts you in the same category as the teens who this blog is about

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    2. Ah, I see. Thank you for showing me the light.

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    3. ignorance is bliss, I don't blame you

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  35. Religion has no place in a modern multicultural society just like torture has no place in the legal system. Its not the middle ages any more.

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    1. Psh. You want to get rid of religion AND torture?

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  36. I don't want to get booed off this site because of this comment. I just want to leave my honest opinion on both sides of the arguement. First of all I find all of these comments incredibly horrible. None of those things should have been said. They are painting Christians and Catholics in a bad light that i can assure you is not the norm. However, I DO think that our modern society is plagued by over sensitivity to anything related to religion, race, or gender. I have many athiest friends who go to a catholic school with me and although they don't agree with prayer, they don't trumpet their disapproval in order to make a point. On teh other hand I don't think Christians should be lobbing hateful messages in order to paint this whole situation as an attack on Christianity. Everybody just needs to stop being so goddamn sensitive to everything. Stop making everything about religion.

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    1. It's about being Un-Constitutional, not overly or irrationally sensitive. Stop making everything about religion?? Then stop injecting religion into everything! Leave it out of our laws & policies! Keep it out of court houses & schools where it most certainly does not belong. Remember why this country was founded, and by whom, and on what principles & freedoms they were trying to attain. 'We'll' stop fighting it when 'they' stop shoving it down our throats, and using it as a means of misogyny, repression, discrimination, and forced submission.

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    2. Why would an atheist student at a Catholic school protest prayer? They can expect prayer at a Catholic school. They know that going in to the situation. Keep in mind that their silence is acceptance of the situation and not acceptance of prayer in school.
      I don't feel that is asking too much that a Christian banner be taken out of a public school. In this case the Christians have the "over sensitivity". It is disrespectful to keep the banner up after the complaint. It is spiteful and leading toward hate to take it to court knowing that you will lose.

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    3. B, it's not unconstitutional.

      Mike, You are right for the most part, but read the banner. It is not overly christian. The only christian thing about it is the first line "Our Heavenly Father". Maybe if she were being forced to repeat it everyday, I would have a problem with it, but the banner only promoted a happy, healthy life. We said the lord's prayer before every football game in highschool at a public school. It wasn't forced, but we had a choice. This girl had a choice and regardless of religion, went against the masses.

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    4. It violated a U.S. constitutional ban on state-sponsored prayer in public schools. A message in the mural - which opens with "Our Heavenly Father" and closes with "Amen" - was purely secular.

      "No amount of debate can make the School Prayer anything other than a prayer, and a Christian one at that," U.S. District Judge Ronald Lagueux wrote in a 40-page opinion.

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    5. There is no CONSTITUTIONAL ban. Quite spewing false knowledge

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    6. Hm. Maybe you should explain that to the Judge.

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    7. If your atheist friends go to a Catholic school, then they probably SHOULDN'T be trumpeting their disapproval. It is part of the curriculum of a private school.

      This is about a PUBLIC school endorsing religion/prayer. That violates the Constitution. End of story. It doesn't matter one little bit what she personally believes, where she is going to school next, or how long the banner has been hanging.

      As an aside, the people who are "over sensitive" to anything related to religion, race, or gender? Chances are that they do not possess the same privileges* as you. These things likely impact their lives directly and negatively.

      *If you aren't familiar with this usage of "privilege" it refers to circumstances that affect your world-view and shield you from the nasty stuff that some other people are unable to ignore. These factors are often beyond your control such as your gender, race, place of birth/residence, and parents' income. For example, Donald Trump, Jr. will have a very different perspective of the world than a female native of Somalia of the same age.

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    8. The term Smartass does not actually imply intelligence, B. The school will appeal and it should go to the supreme court. Judges misinterpret laws all of the time. The first amendment actually reads : Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

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  37. God doesn't exist. This is all irrelevant. The banner shouldn't be there in the first place, separation of church and state.

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    1. Separation of church and state is just an idea, not a law. Slap "Allah", or "Buddha", Shiva on it, I don't care. The banner stands for something more than religion.

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  38. I sent a copy of this website with the images to Cranston's principal and head administrators. I'm sorry, regardless of her faith, some of these students had absolutely no right to publicly harass this girl. So, i'm sorry...showing intent on harming another student to me shouldn't be taken lightly and since it's out there and public for all to see, it would only be a matter of time before someone found out about it anyway.

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    1. Good on you, reading through these post I was wondering if anyone had sent these hateful tweets to the school. It only seems right and the school should take action.

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    2. You should send them to their parents. Why does it become the school's responsibility to look after what our kid's are doing at home? How does that not seem like a violation of rights?

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  39. I'm as much afraid of the 46% of US citizens that believe in creationism as I am of extremist Islamists.

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  40. Surly the school has an ineluctable responsibility to discipline all those found posting such appalling hate messages about Jessica Ahlquist. Indeed, some messages are so disturbing that I'd be surprised and disappointed if the police weren't asked to get involved. This is cyber bullying at its most vile and contemptible. Those responsible should not only be thoroughly ashamed and contrite, they should now be fearful of the consequences of their totally inexcusable actions.

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  41. All those angry people are obviously not sticking to they prayer themselves :

    Our Heavenly Father.

    Grant us each day the desire to do our best.
    To grow mentally and morally as well as physically.
    To be kind and helpful to our classmates and teachers.
    To be honest with ourselves as well as with others.
    Help us to be good sports and smile when we lose as well as when we win.
    Teach us the value of true friendship.
    Help us always to conduct ourselves so as to bring credit to Cranston High School West.

    They're not scoring much points by this prayer.

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    1. If it didn't say "Our Heavenly Father", there would be no issue. If you don't want someone to grow up with value, regardless of religious affiliation, then you are the true criminal.

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  42. @Nick Bushee

    "but if the banner was historic to the school, then why take it down"

    It's unconstitutional, always has been, end of story. There's many more reasons, but that is all one should need to know.

    "Despite the many different views on religion today"

    What do you mean with "today"?! Are you being serious?

    "Are the kids that insulted her right?"

    Obviously not, but they have discovered that their religion provides excellent cover to their mob mentality. The excuses christians are making for their behavior here and elsewhere exemplifies once again how religion warps people ethics and turns them into a mob that thinks it's untouchable.

    "Was it necessary and beneficial towards an overall harmony between two peoples? No."

    Go to the administrators that put up the banner in the first place if that's really your concern, or more practically, go to the current administrators who wasted money meant for education on a pointless legal battle instead of taking the opportunity to educate their students on the separation of church and state and it's effect on public schools. Clearly this school has a terrible track record when it comes to teaching students about civil rights and religious freedom as established in the constitution.

    "So what's the point? I don't see it."

    The point is that the state has no business endorsing religion, it's against the constitution, as it's clearly divisive and violates the freedom of religion that every person in the US has. Why do religions need these kinds of endorsements anyway?! Leave the schools alone, they can put up as many banners in their churches as they want.

    All this arguing is pointless though, 99% of the christians complaining and threatening an upstanding citizen like Ahlquist would have their panties in a bunch if the banner had a muslim prayer on it and go on an all out whine fest while putting their persecution complexes on full display. Then, at the end of the day, they'll thankfully make use of the exact same laws as Ahlquist did to get their school out of the religion business.

    Also, referring to the fact that it was there for 50 years makes no difference at all, non-believers have long been and still are demonized minority in the US, just speaking up when the banner was placed would have cost them dearly. The evidence for that is clear as a whistle, as even now christians have no problem threatening the person who spoke up for their civil rights with violence and other horrible repercussions.

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    1. It's not against the constitution. Where is any factual basis on that?

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    2. If you spent less time trying to analyze christians and more time discovering (for the first time) American law, I feel you would be greatly disgusted at your own claims of right and wrong

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  43. CONTACT A STATE REPRESENTATIVE TIME
    According to this site http://coffeeshopatheist.com/blog/2012/01/jessica-ahlquist-wins-her-lawsuit-prayer-banner-in-public-school-comes-down/
    Ahlquist… was dubbed “an evil little thing,” a “clapping seal” and a “pawn star” on WPRO today by state Rep. Peter Polombo.

    Here is Palumbo's website:
    http://www.rilin.state.ri.us/palumbo/

    And his contact email:
    rep-palumbo@rilin.state.ri.us

    Here's my email:

    Dear Rep. Palumbo
    I have recently learned that you have labeled constitutional activist Jessica Ahlquist "an evil little thing", "a clapping seal", and a "pawn star".
    From my understanding, the reason you stated the above is because this young woman stood up for her constitutional rights and the rights of others who attend the public school where a Christian prayer banner was hung.
    I'm interested to know if you would feel the same way if the school's prayer banner was Muslim, ie. referencing Allah instead of God?
    How would you feel as a Christian if your child attended a public school that explicitly promoted Hinduism, Buddhism, or any other religion? Do you feel that a public school is an appropriate place for these messages?
    I'd appreciate it if - rather than replying specifically to this letter of concern - you would publicly apologize for your insensitive and, quite frankly,irresponsible remarks. Unfortunately, when an adult in a prominent position such as yourself takes to name-calling, it encourages others to do so as well. Jennifer has been receiving death threats, insults, and other abuse and it would be very Christian of you to apologize and remind others to be tolerant of the views of others with regards to this matter. Thank you, Concerned American

    I suggest everyone contact Rep. Palumbo. If you want to copy my email, feel free.

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    1. Just FYI, it's Jessica, Not Jennifer. You might want to change that before sending it.

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    2. I am a European and I took the oppotunity to write to him.

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  44. As a Catholic, I find what these kids are doing to the girl is super offensive! It is comments like these that give a bad name to Christianity. I really hope that these kids can grow up soon and realize that what they're doing is wrong. Contrary to popular belief, any well-minded Christian or Catholic will stop to think before pulling the trigger and judging someone for their beliefs. "I hope you burn in hell"? From a "religious" point of you, no one has the right to condemn anyone to hell and from a "secular" point of view, that just about sounds like hate speech. It's this kind of religious practice that's making the world go mad with war and competition and manipulation! I truly sympathize for this girl and I feel sorry for anyone who scolded her for standing up for a constitutional right--Oh, how unguided their minds are.
    We live in 2012. We should have ALL accepted our differences decades if not centuries ago. You can disagree with the decision to take down the prayer but scolding the girl won't bring bring it back. Debate it. It's only through fair debates that an ideal solution can be made.

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  45. interesante planteamiento.
    si alguna cosa les puedo aportar, soy cristiano.
    http://willykaicedo.blogspot.com/

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  46. Atheism isn't the opposite of Christianity and vice versa. There is no battle between the two. Atheism is the belief in no god. They don't believe they die and turn into a tree as one comment said. That being said, these are teenagers. There is no way of knowing their religious affiliation, if any. They speak what popular opinion tells them to and regardless of how you or I feel, this girl did an unpopular thing to a religious banner. The ensuing bombardment of hatred towards her doesn't mean it's the spoken word of God just because it has religious connotations. I have read way worse stuff on bathroom walls. When you go against the mass on something just to get attention (it isn't because of beliefs because she doesn't believe in a God) you will get scorned. That is human nature since the beginning of time (however long ago you believe it to be). I don't see pictures of Santa Claus and demand it be taken down because I don't believe that it is real. She was not supporting constitutional rights either. Separation of church and state, perhaps, but that is an idea that came along by Jefferson well after the Constitution, not brought up again until after the civil war, then put in place by the Supreme Court officially in Everson v. Board of Education.

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  47. You're using No True Scotsman in error.

    But I agree that these comments, whether written by a self-professed Christian, Atheist troll or anyone, it's not on at all.

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    1. I put that because as predicted... the christian response would be THOSE AREN'T TRUE CHRISTIANS!!!!1111oneoneone

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    2. From a true Christian :) I was offended by all of this. Whether they claim to be of any faith or not their hate is wrong. Read through all of my posts here today and I ask you JFFF, what is a Christian? Because I was drawn here by the title of your blog, and while I agree some of the comments to Jessica can be interpreted as coming from Christians, you are yourselves guilty of spreading a hateful culture by perpetrating the hatred also. You could have simply applauded an athiest for standing up against a contitutional wrong, but instead you used this as a forum to paint a picture of "those bully Christians". It is my goal to make sure the image of us bullies is changed. I challenge you and those who think like you do to accept that maybe just maybe there is nothing to fight over.

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    3. @Jason Morrell: Anyone who says "you'll burn in Hell" is a Christian. Anyone who says "God will rape you" is a Christian. No atheist would ever say something like this. You may not have seen this kind of behaviour, but believe me, all atheists have been the recipients of many examples of this. I even got told that I was going to hell because I refuse to take Chick-Tracts on a street corner.

      More importantly, why would anyone have an issue with the very Christian banner being taken down if they weren't Christian themselves?

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    4. As I said in the blog... this happens EVERY time an atheist makes progress concerning socas issues... and there are always people that try to act like Christians don't talk like this.
      I am taking upon myself to show people that they do... and quite often.
      I am not spreading hate... I'm spreading awareness.

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    5. @anonymous: I agree wholeheartedly. Those making those comments may very well consider themselves Christians. Though I am confused as to how they reconcile that in their heads. I have not EVER accused an athiest of anything. Today or otherwise.I believe that athiests have been targeted because the fact of the matter is most people who have faith in God cannot grasp the idea of not. For those who push religion on you, well there is a special little place for them that you don't believe in :)

      I have said all along in various posts and replies throughout this blog, that I, a Christian, wholeheartledly support Jessica and the removal of the banner. However I do know several of the kids who posted to Jessica, and I know very well the kind of trouble they are now in, and I will tell this - they may come from Christian families but they certainly are not Christians and the response they are showing is bluster and an act to fit in. As most teenagers will do.

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    6. @JFFF: To further the cause of athiests and to bring awareness is something you should be applauded for. But I find very little on this blog that is not an attempt to paint Christians as the bad guy.

      I agree that there are people out there and probably in great numbers who do not think as I do. Calling yourself a Christian and acting like one are two very seperate things. You wish to raise awareness, then do it by rising above hatred and stop trying to get the shock value out there. It discredits all you have to say.

      The name of your overall blog is simply offensive just to be offensive. How then can you be expected to be taken seriously?

      I can simply make the statement concerning this article "Well here they come, the athiests are going to be all over the religios nuts now." and sure some will be there to do so. But that is an overreaching statement that can be difficult for those who are being bashed.

      By refuting my beliefs and ignoring the fact that I have applauded Jessicas stance you demean yourself and athiests as a group. By allowing this to be a site for other athiests to bash Christians with not a single detractor, nor a voice of disension you lose credibility.

      Both sides of this issue could raise a rallying cry and write an article about the nature of the law suit and Jessica's fight, including the fact she has recieved hate mail and threats. Slant it the right way and you have a "hot topic". But to tell the story impartially and to not place blame on one group or another is truly raising awareness.

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    7. Paint? Did you see me twisting arms to get those screenshots?
      Shock value? Nope... stated in the blog that this ISN'T shocking anymore.
      I'm not attacking Christians... I'm calling on them to start calling these people out WITH us... and stop pretending like they don't exist.

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    8. No you did not have to twist arms to get those hate filled screenshots. But you claim with your title that they come from Christians, you immediately bring up how Christians aren't shocked by this as though we condone it. Your agenda which you claim is just to raise awareness is slanted certainly towards painting Chritians as mean bullies.

      I do not pretend that in the name of Christ horrendous things have not been done. I only assert that your method is too encompassing of an entire group and therefore offensive and hateful in and of themselves.

      What I ask of you and any athiest who thinks there is a war between Christians and Athiests is to actually sit and listen to a Christian and what they believe in rather than immediately refute why there can't be a God, or belittle the bible. Once an honest respectable dialog can be opened neither side will trust the other.

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    9. Just for some clarification and awareness - of the 49 or so screenshot comments only 9 had any religious overtone. 6 of which came from the same 2 people. And one was an obvious attempt at comedy that falls woefully short.

      What I read and I hope that most people take away from this is that a large majority of students from this school hate Jessica because she took a stance against something they think is tradition. Not religion.

      Your labeling of your blog tells me that you have a bone to pick, well that is fine. But if you are truly only concerned with raising awareness, I suggest you state facts and stop painting with such a broad brush.


      I am always willing to talk about faith and religion, I do not Judge it is not my place, and I am open minded to all scenarios. But I will not stand by idly while such a blatent attempt to discredit something I believe in is made. We Christians destroy our reputation quite well enough on our own :)

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    10. What makes you think I haven't? I used to be one!
      I am not trying to paint an entire group. There are atheists that are hateful and bigoted too... and if you'll look a few posts back... I called them out also.
      I'm not going to ignore people that spew hate. period.
      I also didn't say Christians weren't shocked by this... I implied that atheists aren't shocked by this. Christians aren't necessarily my demographic.

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    11. All very well and good, but you are still sidestepping the seperation between your blog name, the title of this entry and the FACT that the majority of the commments directed towards Jessica were not connected to religion in any way!

      To be so obtuse to these facts and continue to split the line between Athiests and Christians only shows me that the entire purpose of this exercise was to create more division.

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    12. So you're implying that they're hateful to this girl for other reasons?

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    13. I am not claiming anything that is my point. By design your entire article implies that all those posts came directly from Christians spewing hatred to one poor little athiest. I contend that the wording or choice of words directed most of these posts continueing to spread the hatred in response.

      After reading all of those comments in the screenshots, I cannot actually say there is anything other than mob mentality towards a poor girl who went against the norm. I see no other reaction here. None of them are defending the banner, none of them actually quote the bible. There are a couple of burn in hells and one "raped by satan". Come on! While very hateful and most certainly veiled in religion, these are not comments from Christians. They are comments from teenagers.

      Yet you open this article with "All the vitriol these Christians can spew....." What Christians? Have you interviewed these kids? Did you personally attend the school? Do you even know Jessica?

      I know I am challenging you here, and while I do mean to do so, I do not want to make you upset. My points are simply that your view of what a Christian is has become clouded and your own hatred of my faith dictated the direction this blog has taken today. Very few people on here know the RI laws, our history, our demographic or I will even go so far as reminding people what is was like to be in high school. No matter what side you come down on, this is a cause that was taken up by one girl and because she was not popular she brought down the wrath of the entire school for standing against something that has been there for 50 years. Tradition not religion is the rallying cry.

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  49. I sent a link to this page to the Cranston School Committee as well. My message was succinct and respectful. As outraged as I am about the harassment this courageous young lady has underwent, I have decided that letting my concern be known to those in positions of authority in Cranston would be better than ranting here. They need to know that this unjustified backlash she is receiving should not be tolerated. Indeed she should be praised for standing up for what she saw was right and holding her ground.
    http://www.cranstonri.com/contact.php?department=38

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  50. Hmm. I see you missed the one from Taylor Crocker that said Jessica was "almost as bad as blacks." http://t.co/Ra3UdelL

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  51. the god that is displayed throughout the bible is a bitchy little cocksucker... these comments seem to mirror that pretty well

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  52. It bums me out that any human being can act this way regardless of what they believe. Harrassment is harrassment. Saying you are doing it cause the girl is an atheist is wrong. I'm Christian and I requested something similar in my school because I felt it was discriminatory against the Muslims and Atheists that I knew.

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  53. Can we stop calling this girl a saint (too soon for religious puns?)? Do any of you know her?

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    1. Know her? No.

      Been following her legal battle? Yes. Read her blog? Yes.

      She is brave, she called herself out as unique during high school. She locked horns with the schools administration after politely asking.

      She should be a roll model. Take a look back, see if you don't agree.

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    2. It IS possible to be brave and still be a loon. but before I put my metaphorical foot in my mouth, I would like to read what she has to say. Do you have a link?

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  54. This meme comes to mind: http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/35njiw/

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  55. This shouldn't be an Athiests vs. Christians thing. This should be a "good people standing up against hateful bullies" thing. Those of you who are using this horrible situation to continue your intractable, perpetual sniping against one another over your beliefs or lack thereof are part of the problem. Christians: Athiests are not your enemy, we just want you to leave us alone and stop plastering your beliefs everywhere you can. You can believe whatever you want as long as you don't feel the need to advertise. By all means, continue your missionary work, continue going door to door to get the word out if that's what your God calls you to do, but understand that some of us don't want to be saved and we don't want to be put in a position where we have to be unkind to you to get you to drop it. If someone says "No, I'm an athiest, I'm not ignorant of Jesus, I just don't believe he was the savior and I don't believe in God. I don't need to be saved.", then respect that and move on to someone who is receptive. And please, don't make excuses for these people, own them as I own that they are human beings and human beings, whether they believe in God or not, are horrible assholes to other people and bully them sometimes. It's my duty as a good human being to call them on their shit, just as you should consider it your duty as a Christian to tell them that what they are doing is wrong and against the teachings of Christ. It doesn't need to be about how other people see Christianity or how they reflect on you, it needs to be about what's right.

    Athiests: Stop with this constant haranguing of Christians for things that people did 500 years ago, or even hanging this hate speech on all of them. There are Christians who actually do not consider us their enemy and are content to keep God and the church out of the state and respect the Constitution. Just because you see more of the other kind of Christian doesn't mean they don't exist, and similarly just because you don't believe doesn't mean you have to be a missionary of non-belief and be condescending to people who do believe and are benign. Call the hateful Christians out on their shit on a human basis, not by holding their feet to their own hateful fire. If the "good Christians" have a duty to forcefully call these people out, then we have an equal duty to call them out on humanist grounds.

    Everyone: Reach out to Jessica and make her aware that not everyone is like those people, and that high school will one day be a distant memory that she can draw strength from, knowing that she did the right thing and persevered in the face of such unmitigated hate. For every person who you see above who tweeted this hateful shit, I hope everyone who recognizes it for what it is here will make an effort to tweet support to her twice, maybe even three times to counteract that venom.

    No one brings this kind of hatred on themselves, and Jessica certainly did nothing wrong. If you can't be rational and self aware enough to recognize that, you're no better than these horrible kids, and also, their being young is no excuse and should not be license for them to post this shit unchallenged. If someone doesn't make it abundantly clear to these kids that what they are doing is wrong and that they should be ashamed, they will only become hateful adults, making the world more toxic and deepening these stupid battle lines.

    It's 2012, everyone. It's time for us to stop fighting each other and fighting against those among us on both sides who seek nothing but constant divisiveness and hatemongering and join together to combat that evil. If not now, when?

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  56. "Stop with this constant haranguing of Christians for things that people did 500 years ago, or even hanging this hate speech on all of them. There are Christians who actually do not consider us their enemy and are content to keep God and the church out of the state and respect the Constitution. Just because you see more of the other kind of Christian doesn't mean they don't exist, and similarly just because you don't believe doesn't mean you have to be a missionary of non-belief and be condescending to people who do believe and are benign. Call the hateful Christians out on their shit on a human basis, not by holding their feet to their own hateful fire. If the 'good Christians' have a duty to forcefully call these people out, then we have an equal duty to call them out on humanist grounds."

    Really? A "No True Xian" argument? And as far as ignorant discrimination from your side goes, I don't even have to go back 500 weeks, let alone 500 years: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_8

    You want us to stop fighting, stop socially attacking everyone who doesn't believe the way you do.

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    1. I'm an athiest, stupid. Try reading for comprehension next time.

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    2. Might want to ease up on the Xian apologies then.

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    3. Oh right, because we're at war with all Christians, forever. And by virtue of not believing in God, I'm compelled to conduct myself in the same terms you do, ie that of a raging, perspectiveless asshole.

      I don't know about other athiests, but one of the reasons I gravitated towards non-belief was so I wouldn't have to be overbearingly zealous about my beliefs or lack thereof, but apparently I'm supposed to be full on Dawkins/Hitchens levels of condescending and combative with all Christians all the time and not be able to differentiate between the ones who actually conduct their lives visibly based on the actual teachings of Jesus and the fascists who use Jesus as a weapon against non-believers.

      Nothing funnier/more depressing than an athiest who embraces the concept of original sin, so long as the sin is "believing anything".

      Again, reading for comprehension is a beautiful thing, you should try it sometime instead of cherrypicking things that allow you to trot out the same tired, perspective-free anti"Xian" talking points. I was arguing for people to be decent human beings to each other and exhorting the people claiming they're good Christians to call the ones they admit freely are hateful hypocrites out forcefully and directly and publicly. There were no apologies for Christians or Christianity, but you wouldn't know that, because you're a miserable prick who is only happy if you have someone to feel superior to or fight with. You're part of the problem.

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  57. Try for some accuracy - the constitution does not have anything about church and state. The first amendment reads

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

    At the time the first amendment was ratified (recall that the process requires 3/4 of the states voting to approve the amendment) many of the states had official state religions. It was only later judges who applied it to states, and then to local municipalities.

    Why does the 1 girls right to freedom of religion override what sounds like the majority of the school's population's freedom of religion?

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    1. Oh, so all those decades where everyone basically agreed that separation of church and state was, if not explicitly established by the Constitution, then was at least established in practice and many Supreme Court decisions enshrined that that was the intent of the framers, never happened huh?

      "The majority"'s opinion doesn't trump the one girl's civil rights, sorry. Stop trying to turn back the clock, the genie is out of the bottle and no amount of you being obtuse about actual American history and constitutional scholarship is going to make it ok for you to try to use the Constitution as an excuse to deny the minority their Constitutionally protected civil rights.

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    2. The Rhode Island State Constitution explicitly bans compelling people to religious belief. Therefore, it is illegal to use state power, via the public school system, to advocate religious principles.

      The school administrators could have reworded the banner so it made no reference to religious speech, and it would have been perfectly acceptable.

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    3. If a bunch of Muslims moved into the town, so that they became the majority, and then they painted over the banner with "Allahu Akhbar", you'd be totally cool with that, right?

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  58. Google is far more omnipresent than any god. I think it would be useful to make the names of the persons assaulting Jessica searchable with their hateful words tied to their names. I think their future schools, employers, and friends need to know how hateful and intolerant they really are.

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  59. From the Rhode Island State Constitution:

    "Section 3. Freedom of religion. -- Whereas Almighty God hath created the mind free; and all attempts to influence it by temporal punishments or burdens, or by civil incapacitations, tend to beget habits of hypocrisy and meanness; and whereas a principal object of our venerable ancestors, in their migration to this country and their settlement of this state, was, as they expressed it, to hold forth a lively experiment that a flourishing civil state may stand and be best maintained with full liberty in religious concernments; we, therefore, declare that no person shall be compelled to frequent or to support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatever, except in fulfillment of such person's voluntary contract; nor enforced, restrained, molested, or burdened in body or goods; nor disqualified from holding any office; nor otherwise suffer on account of such person's religious belief; and that every person shall be free to worship God according to the dictates of such person's conscience, and to profess and by argument to maintain such person's opinion in matters of religion; and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect the civil capacity of any person."

    It would seem that the Constitution forbids having religious banners in public school, because children are required to attend school.

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    1. Well that's not helpful for those people who want to use the law to protect the majority from being inconvenienced by other people's civil rights!

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  60. There is no action with consequence. I don't defend either christianity or atheism in this case. I'd rather focus on more relevant and important issues that concern the world like world hunger. I've fought for my country all ready, but this shit is so trivial that it's not even worth mentioning. Never hide only cowards hide.

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    1. Preventing the state from compelling religious belief is not important to you? The mass bullying of a student, based on her religious belief is not important to you?

      Reality check: most famines around the world are a direct result of hatred based on ethnicity, nationality, and, you guessed it, religion.

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    2. Yep, those condoms are dangerious man! ~sigh~

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  61. ZAC, you can always find a "bigger" problem to address, that doesn't mean that "lesser" problems aren't worth fixing.

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  62. Christianity. A religion of peace, tolerance, and understanding. YEAH FUCKING RIGHT!

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  63. I wish I went to that school, anyone who wanted to get to her, would have to get through me first. I won't discriminate gender either if her safety and health were in danger

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  64. There are good and bad Christians. There a good and bad Atheists. You can't take a sampling of a bunch of asshole so called "christian" high school students and say they represent a religion as a whole.

    ....and no, I'm not a Christian.

    P.S. High school students are asshole & bullies no matter who you are or what you believe.

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  65. This probably has been covered but the Constitution separated church and state to protect the church as much as the state. I'm Christian and would have tried to get this banner removed to. If she was Muslim or Hindu and wanted it removed would this be an issue?

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  66. There is nothing good in this world that can't be accomplished without religion. But religion allows good people to do bad things. Religion is cop out. Sin, ask for forgiveness, sin, ask for forgiveness, sin, ask for forgiveness, repeat ad nauseum. Religion doesn't make one moral. If it did there wouldn't be so many atrocities committed every day in the name of religion. Fuck religion.

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